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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for Orocos, If there is no need to know it to use Rock then it would be simply enough to say it but I agree it is still important to say that it is based on Orocos in introductions and so to take profit from its popularity/community. I saw there is an object called Orocos used in the ruby script, maybe you could rename it. As I said, those are just details but sometimes details make a point, especially for beginners.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The PDF manual is the classical way to describe a system so I thought you would do it. In the PDF everything is accessible through one scroll so you can quickly have an overview of the system. Plus, you have the “number of pages” criterion to judge … ;). But, using a website only documentation might be a good idea since it forces the users to “navigate”. Just for the sake of equivalence with PDF, you could prepare a download-able version of your website for offline users . <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>-----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Jan SLIWKA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dr. Eng. Contractor at ETD CMRE</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Software engineering, algorithms, robotics<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>web: <a href="http://www.jan-sliwka.net/">www.jan-sliwka.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Sylvain Joyeux [mailto:sylvain.joyeux@dfki.de] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2012 10:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jan Sliwka<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Thomas Roehr'; rock-dev@dfki.de<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rock-dev] Fwd: RE: Avalon's Middleware<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 09/14/2012 12:11 PM, Jan Sliwka wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sometimes it is just details like for example the fact that you are based Orocos. As a beginner I would go and read about Orocos and maybe say “<i>oh, that’s so complicated, If I have to learn how to use Orocos and Rock I will never make it…</i>” <span style='font-family:Wingdings'>ß</span> this is just a simulation <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting point. I already saw people comment on "I'm using Rock and I am reading this and that from the orocos documentation ...". The whole point is that one does NOT have to read the orocos documentation ...<br><br>What do you think ? Would it be enough to simply stress that one does not have to know Orocos to use Rock ? It is important to me that the link to orocos is shown, as their work is very important for the well-being of Rock.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>. Another detail (but you can’t help it and I find it fine), there are two languages to which you have to integrate the code: C++ and Ruby. ROS uses only one. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>True for the beginning, not true for more advanced projects (they often need some Python)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Anyhow, I am closely following your project. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tell me when you have a Pdf version of the manual.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is there a reason why do you need a PDF version of the manual ?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sylvain Joyeux (Dr.Ing.)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Senior Researcher<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Space & Security Robotics<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Underwater Robotics<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>!!! 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